10 Things We Learnt About Better Call Saul Season Four

10 Things We Learnt About Better Call Saul Season Four

Saul’s Back

Better Call Saul returns for a fourth season this Monday on AMC and on Tuesday on Netflix and here’s 10 things we gleaned from Bob Odenkirk about the new season from a chat he just did with Variety

  1. He describes the new season as being slightly different from the last: “it’s funnier. It’s more dynamic as far as flying between the different modes of the show. I think now there’s a confidence from the writers that they know how funny they can get and get away with it. They know how violent they can get and set that right next to the comedy. And they’re just really getting comfortable with the dynamics of this show which are pretty powerful and wild and fast.”
  2. For Odenkirk, Saul continues to follow really bad advice: “Saul’s a guy who’s following the worst angels of his nature. And there they are, coming to life in front of us….Nobody takes into account how that moment felt when Chuck said to Jimmy, ‘You meant nothing to me. I didn’t care about you one way or the other.” That was really cold. Peter and Vince have said, well, he was just lashing out at Jimmy. He was just trying to hurt Jimmy, but I gotta tell you: He sounded like he meant it. He sounded like he was completely in control of his faculties. He had contemplated the question and this is the answer he had. I think that colors everything else. And so the notion that this thing that Jimmy did, that he almost forgot he’d done, he was just trying to cause a little bit of a ruckus in Chuck’s life.”
  3. The death of Saul’s brother, Chuck, does cast a major shadow over the new run:”For the world of Howard Hamlin and Kim Wexler and Jimmy McGill, it is the whole season. It is everything. I think that mostly season four is about Jimmy and Kim from my point of view. It’s about the last thing that’s tethering Jimmy to some degree of proper behavior and ethics is Kim Wexler and his love for her and his relationship with her, which is at times in season four shockingly good and healthy, like I’ve rarely seen portrayed on television or anywhere. There are moments in the fourth season where the characters are  just plainly honest with each other and instead of the partner or the other person reacting in a pushback manner, they work together and they listen to each other and they forgive each other and those moments really make you feel like they are  potentially a really good couple and that they could last a lifetime. But I just don’t see that happening. So it’s even more tragic that that goes away.”
  4. Kim and Saul’s relationship is a major part of the fourth season but it can’t last: “When I’m in these scenes with Rhea [Seehorn] as Kim, I keep wanting to say, “You didn’t hear what he said to me. He looked me in the eye and said I didn’t matter.” I keep wanting to tell her about that night, not that hearing about it would change anything about what she feels because they would only be secondhand and you had to be standing there listening to him to get the full impact and know how it felt. But there are many moments in season four where the two of them are diverging and then there are a few amazing moments where they’re really great together and you almost feel like they should survive this. It’s a tragedy that they don’t.”
  5. Better Call Saul will intersect even closer with the world of Breaking Bad, Odenkirk confirms:”It’s coming around and it’s so close that it’s the next thing to happen. It’s so close that you can see it’s right there at the end of the season essentially, but it takes up more time. The plots with Mike and Gus and Hector, the “Breaking Bad” world is assembled very closely, almost at the end of the season four.”
  6. Saul will continue to connect with Mike Ehrmantraut (Jonathan Banks) in the coming season:”They intersect. Next year will be the weaving in and out. That’s how it’s going to go. The two tracks, they’re just touching at the end. The merge is just about to happen at the end. There’s still a ways to go because Gus is assembling his power and his status that he has when we meet him in “Breaking Bad,” but he doesn’t get there yet. He’s just got like one last leg to go, but then Saul has to have some interactions before Walter White would come in to the room.”
  7. With the fifth season commissioned, there is more story to be told: “I do leave it in Peter’s hands, but I personally would like to see Gene’s story go somewhere. I don’t know what that means to Peter and Vince, but I know they have expressed that interest as well. I don’t know whether that would be one episode or six episodes. Maybe with the story of Gene, if they could make more out of his story, which I’d like to see. I feel like they’ve told the story of a person of Walter white degrading into the worst part of himself.”
  8. The programme makers are able to keep the audience on the side of Saul thanks to some clever writing:”The audience seems to love his plotting and planning. When he has an inspiration for a con or some kind of swindle to win something for himself, he gets very gleeful, and he’s a fun person to watch. He’s having fun. He even gets carried away to the point where he can’t see the problems arising in his schemes, but his natural joyful energy that arises when he chases these efforts and plots is infectious, and I think the audience buys into it.”
  9. We get to see a little more of Saul’s more recent persona, Gene, in the new season too, he reveals: “No one could last very long living that way. Your heart’s going to explode or your brain’s gonna be like an aneurysm or two, you’re going to give yourself a heart attack. I don’t think he can go on much longer that way we can already see, he collapsed out of nothing but stress, I would imagine. And he heads back out into the world in this first episode and his world is just filled with tension and fear and anxiety. And he’s a hunted man. Whether that’s true or not, he feels it at all times.”
  10. Odenkirk admits that he gets something out of playing each of the three different personas: “Jimmy, right now. But if Gene could reconstitute himself into a better person, maybe the wisdom and the self awareness that he gained from all this might make him the most fun to play. He would need to get some confidence back. But if that could be a part of that reconstitution remaking himself, he could be the best version to play. Just give them a little wisdom, a little hard-earned wisdom and a little self awareness and a degree of humility that somehow can exist beside all those braggadocio skills that he has naturally.”

Read the whole chat here

Variety Bob Odenkirk Better Call Saul Season Four Preview

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